Steve Davies's new job

A bit slow on my part but numerous friends are interested in the next leg of the Steve Davies ex NRM story, here it is . Dolgarrog in the Conwy Valley. Reading it all I say 1) as explained an important site with railway associations.  2) I would draw a parallel with the Eastgate Eco Village in Weardale.

The Trans-Atlantic A4s do go back. Period.

I have posted this at this group https://www.facebook.com/groups/10375912691/

"I will have to leave this group on several counts. The engines have been repatriated for an agreed loan term by the National Railway Museum. The owning institutions DO WANT them back and in the state specified in the loan agreement. It would be the utmost bad form and reflect badly on the enthusiasts involved and on our nation to backtrack on this. Accept what has been arranged graciously, enjoy them while they are here and wave goodbye to them knowing they will not be back for a long time. You have four others to enjoy. That is quite enough. You could build another one if you want to challenge the world speed record. But I will urge everyone that campaigning to retain one or both of the North American's A4s reflects very badly on our international standing."

And I shall add here in as many ways as possible, there is no other way to put it. The NRM is in the process of arranging inward loans as well. At many levels beyond those of the railway museum, Britiain relies on maintaining international credibility. Suggesting these engines stay here wholly undermines this, particularly if any head of steam was built up on the matter.

"Whither" letter in Railway Magazine January 2013

This was published in the Railway Magazine January 2013 p37. The letter is a shorter version with some new material on this entry.

Whither ‘Scotsman’ and the NRM?

THAT the National Railway Museum has been having a stressful time is evident these last couple of years. The tension began to show in 2011 when the long-awaited completion of Flying Scotsman’s restoration did not happen. At the same time, a £21million redisplay project, entitled NRM+, failed to receive outside funding and was abandoned. The woes continued through 2012 and have included adverse national media headlines and the rather sudden departure of Steve Davies as director.

In 2009, I sold my Forsythe Collection of transport and tourist ephemera to the NRM, all 100 shelved metres of it, following several years of negotiations… and during those talks, my wife and I gained an insight into the museum’s processes at work.

It was, therefore, worrying to read in the independent engineering report into the Flying Scotsman restoration (Dec RM) that a national museum undertaking its premier restoration creates a situation where “parts had become lost, loaned to other locos; parts had been removed from the loco and not inspected and placed in the stores van and forgotten about”.

Neither did I expect to read: “It is difficult to analyse drift in the project because there was no real plan against which it could be measured and new tasks were added to the workload as new problems were uncovered”.

This is despite clear guidelines in a document entitled Standards in the Museum Care of Larger and Working Objects, published by the Museums and Galleries Commission in 1994, which states: “Every object and detached parts of objects should be clearly marked with their own unique numbers linked to their documentation, which should also record their location.”

The museum can argue that it has to work within the engineering culture of the heritage railway movement, which is not that of conserving the Lindisfarne Gospels! It can also argue that whereas a painting or a manuscript is usually ‘one piece’, a railway engine is like the proverbial Irishman’s hammer.

I wonder whether the NRM’S difficulties are the result of being both the most-visited museum outside London and, at the same time, the national museum that achieves the most visitors for the least per-head spend? This value-for-money story could also be the key to its difficulties – that over a long period of time, it has not received the per-capita spend other museums have had. Presumably, while the headlines were good, no-one was going to complain, but over a period of time, problems stack up.

The ‘Scotsman’ report asserts that a weak link developed as a result of high staff turnover. Museums thrive on the intense knowledge of their staff. If staff turn over rapidly in senior positions, then detailed records are essential, yet a personal story I experienced in 2008 was that when one key member of NRM management left, their line manager could no longer access their emails.

Under new acting director Paul Kirkman, part of the self-examination that should now take place ought to include an analysis of staff turnover in managerial positions.

Also, unlike some museums, the NRM has never had its own set of trustees. Who (apart from the press) were asking hard questions of the management as the restoration progressed? Who would have been in place to support the director if he wished to argue that he needed more of the national museum cake? Now with the overspend on ‘Scotsman’, it will be an uphill argument to make, yet the report suggests it is either made or the museum will have to trim its activities.

Mr Kirkman admits he has no railway connections. The last three directors could all demonstrate enthusiast affiliations, but the prime need now is for a strong manager who can offer the institution tough love, establish what it needs by way of a staff team and secure the resources to put that team in place.

In the cosmetic work now being undertaken on the A4 Dominion of Canada, the museum has an excellent chance to show it can get things right (albeit on someone else's engine).

ROBERT FORSYTHE, Prudhoe.

Dominion of Canada is being repainted at Shildon

See http://www.librarything.com/work/13251300/book/91790582

. Freshly bought today and signed by its author at Shildon. I have been on an Anthony Coulls led Dominion of Canada tour. Howling storm outside, lovely warm well lit workshop inside. Impressive to be up close seeing the work being done. Up close it is a majestic engine as is the Duchess of Hamilton arrived yesterday. NEWS: they are finding old paint through the assorted liveries of apple green, garter blue, wartime back, garter blue, BR blue and BR green including very obviously the last as applied at Darlington in 1967. Also it appears that DoC although looking tired offers less headaches than the work to do on Dwight D Eisenhower. Photos: I had my 35mm SLR print ASA 400, the camera phone both with me and the freshly charged Finepix digi left on the table at home. Something could appear in due course.

Book a tour yourself here.

4472 Restoration Report available

NRM press release about 4472 Flying Scotsman restoration report now available. Until the new director and a new working group have reviewed this, no date for a return to steam will be set and that is no date set for the rest of 2011. To source the report it will be sent on email to  pressoffice@nrm.org.uk . http://www.nrm.org.uk/AboutUs/PressOffice/PressReleases/2012/October/flyingscotsmanreport.aspx
or go on line to http://www.nrm.org.uk/aboutus/nrmdocuments .

As I make my way through the report I may add relevant paragraphs in here:
"For much of the time, project management was ineffectual or non-existent. Since the project started, half a dozen different people have been in charge, few of whom had experience of managing a £2m engineering project. It has not been possible to find proper scope or planning documentation for the project."  page 2.

"Our Contract Manager worked very hard putting a provisional programme for repair together with Riley and Son. He was put under great pressure from the Director to deliver the programme and costs within a few days. Unfortunately this provisional information was then cast as the final version of the programme and the Museum had again set a deadline for completion without consideration being given to further defects being found and the complexity of the loco's restoration" page 18 talking about after June 2010.

"It has not been possible to discover any original programme for carrying out the repair that justifies either the published timescale or the budget." page 27.

Something the report does not undertake (fairly) is to link the examination of 4472 and other matters which have been raised this summer where museum process has been questioned.For instance how Railfest was managed and what lay behind the Daily Telegraph nepotism story, or the misuse of Prince William. It would be most instructive to make these comparisons and to see if a common thread can be found.

Flying Scotman's way forward is in the accompanying press release - not the report "Acting upon these recommendations, the National Railway Museum has appointed the railway engineering consultancy firm, First Class Partnerships, to provide independent advice on the most effective approach to completing the final stage of the restoration project".

My own summary of this report into the restoration of Flying Scotsman by the National Railway Museum "I reason that one of my main takes from this report goes as follows. As a museum curator I was always taught to document a restoration. As a local authority officer, the importance of proper contract management was stressed to me. My reading of the report is that on both these fundamental subjects, the museum completely failed (and if you think this is an unfair reading of the report please say so). I suspect that if this report is not buried it will become a milestone in museum history, of this museum and of the profession as a whole." The report does make recommendations for the future and does note how the museum has already sought to improve its practice. It really now needs a year or so to see if it can embed this thinking throughout its practice.

Yet another way of looking at all this is that it is possibly the ultimate example of a museum mismatching ambition and ability/resource. I reckon this is endemic to museums because everyone thinks running museums must be fun. Everyone is full of good ideas for what can be done and does not produce resource. A very good word in a curator's vocabulary should be NO.

The wider press is picking up the report. As I can I will add links
  http://www.thestar.co.uk/news/local/flying-scotsman-project-is-restoration-nightmare-1-5075528 

http://www.heritagerailway.co.uk/news/flying-scotsman-report-published 

A4s at Shildon this weekend past

What follows below is the content of an email just sent to George Muirhead, the museum manager at Shildon.

Dear George

I am writing something which I will post also to http://forsytheonthenrm.blogspot.co.uk/ ,  as I will any answer that I receive.

I wish to offer my congratulations on the display of the A4s at Shildon this weekend past. I have read and received several reports and they all say a great show was put on by the museum and its staff and helpers. A very special moment I understand was when the The Great Marquess on a Weardale railtour puffed by.

I am very mindful that when I got a few words with Steve Davies at the media call for the arrival of the A4s 10 days ago, he assured me that the presence of the A4s would be used to maximise revenue generation for the NRM.

As you will know in recent months the ability of the museum to manage events in a positive financial way has been problematic. I thought it would be a positive story therefore, as Steve Davies' time comes to an end, if the Museum was asked to publish the financial breakdown of last weekend.

In the scenario I am putting, we can assume that the costs of the two Transatlantic visitors travel to Shildon is to one aside. That has been sponsored. I am aware that attendees at the evening events were paying a premium fee and I am also aware that Track Access Charges to deliver other visitors to and from Shildon at the weekend have to be vectored in. I would imagine your prime extra cost has been in staff and security costs measured against a normal weekend and that revenue income on the same basis, can be assessed.

From all this I assume it is not that difficult for the museum to know whether it has made or lost money on the weekend past. I very much hope that the museum can be persuaded to share this information for whichever way the penny drops, the public who own the museum have a legitimate interest in knowing.

Forsythe Collection features in first National Railway Museum App development

Tim Procter from the National Railway Museum has been updating me about their recent use of the Forsythe Collection. "Hiroki Shin has pretty much finished his research, it's lodged with the Institute of Railway Studies at the moment but we will get copies.  It has led to an app project which we're working on with East Coast, and the collection has been extensively used by the researchers on the Station Stories project
- http://www.nrm.org.uk/NRM/GetInvolved/yourstationstory.aspx .  And as Fiona noted at her last visit items were used in the exhibition celebrating some of the star vehicles from Railfest, and items are also in the current exhibition around Modern Railways Magazine's 50th Anniversary awards.  I'll let you know what comes out of the final parts of the project". As the museum's Facebook stream put it today "We've launched our first mobile app! Download it now for free on iphone: http://ow.ly/evHAO" . Now all I need is an Iphone, we have an HTC android......

Whither NRM?

Robert Forsythe says…”Whither National Railway Museum?”

Or

An Outsider’s view 

On 19^th September 2012, the National Railway Museum announced that its Director Steve Davies was resigning and that Paul Kirkman from the DCMS would become an interim director for a year. This followed a summer of torrid headlines embracing “Nepotism at National Museum” (the Daily Telegraph 22^nd August 2012), a loss of £200,000 on one event and a series of missed deadlines and failed financial forecasts in the restoration of the 4472 Flying Scotsman engine. That very day two Gresley A4s class engines stood on the quayside at Halifax Nova Scotia awaiting shipment back to the country of their birth at the instigation of Mr Davies’ management.

Who is Robert Forsythe to say?

Robert Forsythe was born in Norwich in 1959. He grew up with the ruins of the Midland and Great Northern Joint all around. He also grew up as the son of a father who was totally dedicated to maritime preservation. One of Robert’s earliest memories is of a hurried visit to Cantley Sugar Beet Factory to see the sailing wherry Albion sunk laden with sugar beet. He soon became interested in railways as well and came to Durham as a student. He did voluntary work at Beamish, obtained an Ironbridge Institute Diploma in Industrial Archaeology. In his first museum job he worked for Andrew Scott.  He was curator of the Scottish Maritime Museum in Irvine at the age of 26. There he met Fiona McMurray whose railway pedigree through both parents was impeccable. They married and since 1991 he has worked freelance in the Tyne Valley. He has been a member and a director of various heritage organisations. Once married, they created The Forsythe Collection of Transport and Tourist Ephemera. In 2009 the NRM purchased the collection, all 100 shelved metres . Negotiations with the Museum to purchase the Collection occupied a number of years.  It gave them both an insight into the NRM process at work. In the material collected was publicity material for 4472 Flying Scotsman; from 2004 Robert has followed that project with interest.

A National Railway Museum is not a preserved railway. It shares with them the uphill task of preventing extinction. However, its remit has to be far broader. It is a subject museum and thereby its task is the preservation and presentation of a much wider canvas than any preserved railway. It is set up to tackle areas of interest which do not concern a preserved railway, telling the story of technological innovation and development, accounting for the role of the railway worker, memorialising railway culture all these tasks go beyond simply operating steam engines.

Museum Governance 

The National Railway Museum has grown like Topsy. Its roots stretch back before World War 1. Growing out of the 1925 Stockton & Darlington centenary the LNER created the York Railway Museum. In 1975 through an amalgamation with the British Transport Collection at Clapham the present National Railway Museum as a branch of the London based Science Museum (now NMSI) came into being. Amalgamating collections is one recipe for subsequent difficulties. By no means all the tasks demanded of that amalgamation have been undertaken in 2012. York is 188 miles from London. The new Railway Museum was not given, and has never had its own set of trustees. The seeds of the drift in governance were there. Is it the lack of close interaction of a group of local trustees that enabled Mr Davies to very rapidly develop the programme to repatriate the A4s? Is it the same lack that has enabled the 4472 Flying Scotsman restoration to drift over a long period of time into the quagmire that it has become? 

Museum Strategy

For many years it has been said (rightly) that it was the Museum’s task to tell the story of the railway. Whilst the cathedral like nature of the York displays is a compelling attraction, in itself that has not made it easy to undertake this task. This is why the NRM+ project was developed. The failure of its bid for money in 2011 was a serious blow and one which Mr Davies (in post then a year) has had to react to. It would be instructive for the Museum and for the wider enthusiast community to know why that bid failed. The task remains as pressing as it has been at any time. If it is accepted that the Museum is in difficulties, a useful document would be a review of all funding bids made in the last decade and their success or failure. 

An indication of the weakness of the Museum is the difficulty it has had in managing budgets. This has been well publicised through the 2012 RailFest and 4472 stories this year. Is part of that weakness down to staff turnover? A Museum thrives on the intense knowledge of its staff. If staff turnover rapidly in senior positions then detailed records are essential. At the NRM , another part of the self examination which should take place is an analysis of staff turnover in managerial positions. This would be hampered by the lack of a published Museum staff structure. That lack has led Robert to brand the Museum ‘A Byzantine Organisation’. 

Unless York is in your blood, it is not easy to establish who does what or who to contact. Other national museums like the National Maritime Museum at Greenwich publish their staff structure (http://www.rmg.co.uk/upload/pdf/NMM_organisation_chart_Feb_2012.pdf). This element of staff invisibility connects to a trait of poor communication. In our own experience and in that of others we know letters and emails can be unanswered in number. In our case this led to cross words directly with Mr Davies. A national institution could easily purchase e-mail handling software which would audit that process and ensure that every enquiry started with an acknowledgement. During July 2011 the Newcastle Journal published a story founded on this lack of response. Nothing to do with us personally.  

Museum Process

Another evidence of failure in process comes in studying the Museum’s on-line object catalogue. Go on-line, open up the Museum object catalogue and see the variety of terms used to describe the same class of item. Effective cataloguing demands commitment to a thesaurus. The creation of such a standard requires skilled input and senior management commitment over time. Unless a developed catalogue is in place, a museum of this size becomes unintelligible. It does not know what it has, items can be lost or even stolen. This has been a problem at York over many decades (cf The Weardale Coach and associated artefacts). 

There has been a lot of technical museological discussion thus far. Where all the chat about which engines to restore next: Gazelle or Shannon? How many diesels should there be? Those are fascinating discussions but they are not at the core of what a museum does. Actually there is an argument that the museum should preserve less and manage more. Manage more? Part of the Museum’s task must be as the final arbiter and back stop in the process of what survives that is important to Britain’s railway heritage. There can be no denying that the core icons of that heritage justify being in the National Collection, Locomotion, Rocket, City of Truro, Mallard, a Deltic, these cannot be dispensed with. A Deltic? Seven Deltics  survive, two in the National Collection. 6/35ths of the Gresley A4 class exist, one in the National Collection. In the middle of a period of austerity, with the Museum’s ability to work to budget under question, with a list of potential restorations longer than the preverbial arm, is it any wonder London eyebrows rise at the thought of shipping two more A4s back to Britain? Ten Terriers survive. Why does the NRM need one in its collection? A wonderful design certainly, but all the National Collection need do is to exercise over sight to guarantee that the ten does not become zero. Nineteen Bulleid  Light Pacifics survive, so why does the NRM have to have one? Is it just the power of the name Winston Churchill, is that justification alone; does that extend to “KOYLI”?

Doubtless this line of thinking will not be popular. But to adopt it does not imperil the existence of any unique artefact . It still enables the Museum through a pattern of relationships to mount spectacular displays. This year’s RailFest was certainly that. Adopting a strategy of reduction would focus the Museum team back on what is it that they are uniquely and specially qualified to do. Tell the tale of rail in Britain, curate world class collections many of which are not prime movers. 

Outcomes

Without a doubt the Museum is going to experience a period of soul searching. Instead of an enthusiast a DCMS plant will run the Museum for at least a year for sure. On paper his credentials are impressive to link the Museum back into the probity which ‘London’ has to stand for. If he can show empathy for the subject and its community, he stands a chance of success. He is going to confront some deeply entrenched patterns of behaviour at the Museum. This decision, although announced suddenly, cannot have come from the blue. Sometime must have elapsed in which DCMS took the decision that the way to deal with the headlines confronting them was to install their own man. The Science Museum was not offered a resignation to which the response was ‘Thanks and now we commence the normal recruitment process’. Something far more dramatic has happened. 

Going forward although 2012 will undeniably be remembered as a traumatic year for the NRM, it is very unlikely that it is fatal! These fracas are actually part and parcel of preservation, amidst its inherent contradictions.  Open up old Museum minutes and the passions of the York and Darlington factions can astonish from over a century ago. That, thankfully, has been neatly resolved in the NRM being now at both York and Shildon. 

Various targets for reflection have been suggested, the review of funding bids, the staff structure. The Museum is already promising a detailed engineering review of 4472’s restoration. Let us hope that is readily available and that maybe the opportunity is taken to research and tell the restoration story of other key artefacts. This would demonstrate the difficult nature of the decisions which the Museum has to take at the best of times and enable weakness in process to be identified and confronted. 

A similar research exercise could produce a full history of the Museum. It would be a riveting read. Museums exist to record objects and their creators as they are. That history’s power would be certain as long as all those involved in the Museum over the last 50 years or so were free to speak!

(Picture from York in February 2007 4472 in bits).

At sea with the Atlantic Conveyor

The two Gresley A4s are loaded aboard Atlantic Conveyor and are now at sea due Liverpool 2nd October. They sailed roughly 5am our time.

Bound in the first instance for free display Shildon (via Liverpool) see http://www.heritagerailway.co.uk/news/a4s-now-crossing-the-atlantic .

At Locomotion Shildon's Autumn Gala Today

Steve Davies on the NRM Locomotion PA at Shildon's gala this AM: the two Gresley A4s leave Halifax on the 25th September, that's this Tuesday, for the UK. He was being very affable, scheduled to drive SLS Orion and cleaning the gents for the benefit of myself and others. The gala was very busy, six engines in steam, traders I spoke to happy. Outside stars included the two Y7s together (again) and in steam. Beamish's restored Lewin. North Staffs 0-6-02T. Everything looked good.

A4 locos arrived in the UK from Canada on 3rd October see http://www.heritagerailway.co.uk/gallery/a4s-have-arrived .

 

New National Railway Museum head Paul Kirkman biography

New NRM head biography: Paul Kirkman studied Philosophy at Edinburgh University before joining HMG. In between three spells at the Treasury he was Private Secretary to the Director General of the Confederation of British Industry, studied for an MA in Art History at Goldsmiths College and was Head of Policy & Planning at the Natural History Museum. Paul joined the Department for Culture Media and Sport in September 2005 as Head of Museums & Libraries. He was a Clore Fellow in 2009 and led the DCMS’s work on the 2010 Spending Review. He is now Head of Arts and Creative Industries at DCMS.

Paul’s secondment will be for a period of one year. DCMS staff regularly undertake relevant secondments as the department believes secondments play an important role in enabling individuals and the host organization to benefit from new skills, knowledge and capabilities. (from NRM press release).

Steve Davies leaves the National Railway Museum

National Railway Museum head Steve Davies is to leave it has been announced today, with just  two and a half years in post.  A series of well flagged issues surrounding the 2012 Railfest and the restoration of Flying Scotsman are associated. A lot more needs to be said but that will be on reflection and when some substantive information from the museum is available. Meanwhile as of today two A4s are on the quayside at Halifax Canada and one must ask what will happen to them?

Press release here #1692 .

By the end of the day Museums Journal had a feature ready with some useful insight. Heritage Railway report. For an insight into what this is all about Steam Railway 405 and 406 should be obtained. There the interview David Willcock and Steve Davies may turn out to have been significant. Other stories in issue 406 would have made unpleasant reading in London.

Lively links for today

Interesting links of the sort it is easy to miss (and which I wish to remember), all showing today by googling Commercial Cultures National Railway Museum

http://www.darntonegs.com/Portfolio/Culture/NationalRailwayMuseum/tabid/147/language/en-US/Default.aspx

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/9492537/National-Railway-Museum-hit-by-nepotism-row-as-curators-husband-wins-contracts.html


The Daily Telegraph story is about nepotism at the NRM. Is this a silly season story? Will it appear in the railway press? I am far too far away to take sides or offer an opinion although I note a typically assertively expressed statement of support by Steve Davies for his staff. It does suggest someone somewhere in the museum is unhappy or has an axe to grind. 

(also see http://www.thirdsector.co.uk/go/news/article/1146799/national-railway-museum-nepotism-row-contracts/ , it seems this started as an "exclusive Yorkshire Post" investigation http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/at-a-glance/main-section/yorks-s-national-railway-museum-hit-by-nepotism-row-over-work-for-painter-exclusive-1-4854822 .)

http://www.york.ac.uk/inst/irs/irshome/news/news.htm  (promise of an interesting exhibition relevant to ourselves) "The project will result in a major exhibition at the National Railway Museum from late 2012, along with an app which will deliver geographically relevant historical marketing material to travellers on today's East Coast train services."

And while on links seen today, this one found separately records a definite one off moment
http://www.heritagerailway.co.uk/news/an-a3-and-an-a4-in-black-together .

And very topical this week on Youtube (seen via NRM twitter flow) Dwight D Eisenhower arriving Halifax in a VERY LONG train http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMDlfHkwIuw&feature=youtu.be .

Dwight D Eisenhower on the move in the USA

A really interesting photo set from Moveright International whose own master website is very interesting

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moveright/sets/72157630805686936/with/7707085126/ . One tangential message social media are becoming first points of contact before the prime website. I mean by that the current job with all the focus is on Flickr and not the website. I might be wrong, tell me.

4472's next few months

There's an NRM update on where 4472 Flying Scotsman goes in the coming months and the work left to do http://www.nrm.org.uk/flyingscotsman/see.aspx .

NRM official line on the Mallard 75th record anniversary

From Twitter brand new on NRM press site, the A4 story http://www.nrm.org.uk/PlanaVisit/Events/mallard75.aspx

 

great spectacle, a few RNF raised eyebrows, "35 A4s were built, but only six survive". 6/35ths of the class? How many more is there room for? How about an entire new build one with which to break Mallard's record?

Canadian perspective on the A4 move to Britain

Really interesting to see the Canadian angle on the A4 move. Of course when they say the British museum is funding the move, that is slightly elided. The shippers involved are paying all the fees as a sponsorship deal for the museum. http://www.easternrailroadnews.com/2012/05/04/cn-to-move-historic-steam-locomotives-to-halifax-ns-in-july/ .


Note the Canadians suggesting one could be used to break the speed record !!!!!!

Six A4s in a line: Railway Magazine August 2012

Just now I am clipping in an interesting discussion from my Facebook arising from reading Steve Davies' leading feature in the August 2012 Railway Magazine. I am torn in knowing what to make of it although I am sure it is a remarkable piece of writing.

The discussion from this morning:

Robert Forsythe

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Will the thought of seeing six A4s in a line rather than four during 2013 change how you spend your money? (Railway Magazine August 2012 feature).

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    William Snook ill certainly be going to see that spectacle. Really looking forward to it! Hope the two returnees are in steam!
    

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    Robert Forsythe according to the feature, the two returnees are not in steam but will have quite a lot of attention, one with valences and bell and LNER garter blue
    

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    William Snook One of the two is in a very poor state, which one is it?
    

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    Robert Forsythe dunno
    

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    Jonathan Clay Simple answer. No!
    

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    They'll be 3 static (Mallard & 2 visiting ones) and 3 in steam (Bittern, Sir Nig & South africa)
    

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    William Snook Robert, its 60010 Dominion of Canada that is in a bad way. 60008 DDE is in a fairly ok state for its length of static display
    

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    Alex Betteney Would love to go and see them, but why the money issue? Unless of course the nrm are going to charge £50 entry fee?
    

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    David Brown ‎60010 has had cosmetic attention recently but at least was kept indoors while many of Canada's own heritage locos sat rusting in the rain. Of course, if it hadn't gone to Canada it would have been scrapped here as it had been badly robbed after storage by BR. It would need a lot to make it a runner again.
    

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    Brian Elliott Nope, probably saw them at Haymarket in the late fifties
    

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    Robert Forsythe where has the £50 entry fee come from Alex? that was not in Rly Mag. it is very pertinent. as you can see my question is about audience testing which in the light of Railfest visitor numbers is relevant. From the Rly Mag article there is little evidence that the decision to do all this is based on an "evidenced study" of likely numbers or that it is how it appears to me. It looks as if the director faced with a perceived need to celebrate the 75th anniversary "spectacularly" came up with the project very swifty. The article opens "Soon after arriving at the NRM..... action would need to be taken quickly". It is a hugely clever wheese but with 4472 not yet in action my prayer is that this will be shown to be exactly the right thing for a public funded museum to do at this moment. Your reactions and those of more folk are very interesting (to me anyway). Will I turn out? To Shildon if it is free, yes. To anywhere if I have to pay "Railfest" level prices? Shake shoulders, I was not at Railfest and my enthusiasm is hard to beat.
    

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